Below are some questions and statements from former coC preachers, who now teach against the bible. Show me how to answer these and when you do my athesist friends – former coC preachers will bounce right back. Matter of fact anyone willing to confront these – go for it. See below
According to the Bible, Old AND New Testament, every claim needs to be established by at least two to three witnesses before it should ever stand a chance of being accepted as fact.A matter must be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses. (Deut. 19:15 NIV)
Every fact is to be confirmed by the testimony of two or three witnesses. (2nd Cor 13:1 NASB)
Given that, where were the witnesses to confirm Moses’ claim about God handing him a chiseled list of commandments on top of Mt. Sinai? He made a claim that God gave him tablets of stone containing The Ten Commandments. Where are the witnesses? There were none, for according to his own story, he was alone- by himself, no one else around- when God supposedly did this. There was no one to corroborate his extraordinary claim. Based upon that admitted FACT and what the Bible demands about how claimed facts are to be handled, the Ten Commandments should be thrown into the nearest dumpster, for as it stands now, the entire Ten Commandments rests upon the uncorroborated say-so of a single, solitary man The apologist will claim that Deut. 19:15 applies only to situations where God himself is not establishing the validity of a truth via the miraculous. In other words, they knew Moses was God’s messenger because he was able to perform miracles. Sound familiar? It should; this is what Nicodemus says about Jesus in John 3. According to Christian theology, God can’t die, Jesus equals God, therefore Jesus can’t die- can’t cease to exist- and he didn’t, not in any real sense of the word. According to the Bible, when everyone thought he was dead he was actually hanging out in hades for three days having discussions. Therefore all that really happened was Jesus (i.e. God) went thru alot of pain for just a couple of hours, this pain is what must have “paid the debt of sin for all mankind”. And since God suffering pain is what did the trick, God could have just as well hit his own thumb with a hammer to presto-chango erase the sins of mankind, in which case Christians would all be wearing little hammers around their necks today! Christians claim that Jesus, the “second Adam”, Jesus the “perfect human”, died for sins. But according to Christian theory, his “divine” half couldn’t die, his “soul” couldn’t die, and neither could his “spirit”. Then what part of Jesus died to pay off this supposed debt of sin? Will Christians respond his other half, his body? His HUMAN body? But it WASN’T human, was it, Christian? According to your theory, Jesus was only a half-breed, only HALF human. Sure, Jesus had a human mother, but his father was an extra-terrestrial space alien from way beyond the clouds who raped Mary (who was already engaged to be married) and somehow got her pregnant. So IF it took a god to die to “pay off the debt”, seeing how gods CAN’T die by definition, that god theory goes up in smoke. On the other hand, if it took a perfect human to die to “pay off the debt”, Jesus was NOT human, by any stretch of the DNA, so therefore could never be a PERFECT human, just as a pig could never be a perfect dog. In fact, at best, he was only one-quarter human. Think of it this way: four quarters = a whole. If two quarters of Jesus (i.e. 1/2 of him) were god, that leaves the remaining half of Jesus a human being. But how did this “human half” of Jesus come about? Of this remaining half, this human-looking body, only half of it (i.e. 1/4 of the whole) could actually be human (via Mary’s DNA) while the other 1/4th of it was Biblegod DNA- definitely NOT human. So Jesus was no more a “perfect human” than Arnold the Pig could ever be a perfect dog, cow, or whale. At BEST, only 1/4th of Jesus could be physically human, with the other 3/4ths being non-human.
March 26, 2008 at 4:38 pm
The argument used concerning the Ten Commandments only attacks one prong of at least a three rpong argument for the validity of Moses’ testimony. First, we have the testimony of an entire nation who for forty days saw the lightning and thunder and smoke that was upon the mountain. They saw these things and acknowledged the presence of God on the mountain (Ex 20.18-19). Further, they had heard the trumpet blasts from the mountains (Ex 19.16, 19) and felt the quaking of the mountain (Ex19.18). Hence, we have eye and ear witness testimony of the nation of Israel confirming the fact that something supernatural was taking place on the mountain, the only explanation for them of all that was taking palce was that God had come down upon the mountain.
Second, there is the glowing of the face of Moses. This was a sign to the nation of Israel of the reality that he had been speaking with God. And when the people saw Moses face, they fled from him (Ex 34.29ff). This is more attestation to the fact that Moses had spoken with God, further validating his testimony and the testimony of the people that they had the very Words of God in the Ten Commandments.
Third, and this was addressed by the detractor, the miracles attested to the fact that Moses was sent by God. From the time Moses went back to Egypt to free the people, throughout the forty years of wandering in the wilderness, God worked miracles through Moses to confirm the word spoken by Moses. The miracels were undeniable even by Pharoah who tried to have his magicians work the same things. Further, many of the miracles were accomplished only by Moses. Since the magicians could not work the same miracles through their dark arts or slight of hand, they too could only attribute the miracles to the finger of God (Ex 8.19), again more enemy attestation to the fact that Moses is indeed the true messanger of God.
Based on all this evidence, it is clear that there are many more than just two or three witnesses in the case of Moses: the testimony of the entire nation of Israel would be enough, but even the enemies testify to the fact that Moses is God’s man. And finally, Moses has the divine endorsement of God himself, the greatest testimony of all. All for now.
March 26, 2008 at 5:50 pm
great points Nick and thanks for answering these.